Ty: Hey, you’re listening to Ty Bollinger of CancerTruth.net and you’re also listening to Justin and Kate with Extreme Health Radio. These guys are great. Enjoy listening to them. I always do.

Welcome to Extreme Health Radio. Extreme Health Radio, where natural solutions to almost every health condition are out there. Join us on our journey to find them. Now here are your hosts, broadcasting from sunny Southern California, around the world, Justin and Kate Stellman.

Justin: Well, we are quite the busy bees this morning; let me tell you. Weren’t we, Kate?

Kate: Woke up three hours ahead of what I needed to do and I’m still not caught up.

Justin: I know. I did the rebounder. I did the sauna. You walked Maggie, ran some errands, took a shower.

Kate: What didn’t I do? Saved the world.

Justin: Saved the world. Wow, this has been a great day already and we’re just starting the show.

Kate: Gorgeous.

Justin: Amazing.

Kate: I love it.

Justin: So today is… What’s the reference today?

Kate: November 7, 2013.

Justin: November 7, 2013, and we have a great guest for you today. We’re chock full of great information with Dr. Victor Zeines today, and his website’s NatDent.com and we’ll be introducing him in just a second. Just a beautiful day here in Southern California—beautiful fall day. It’s just amazing.

Kate: Nice and warm.

Justin: This is Episode 173, so you can check out the show notes and any links that we talk about. Kate is going to be so kind to take notes for us.

Kate: That’s the kind of girl I am.

Justin: The kind of girl you are.

Kate: Just kidding.

Justin: So if you go to ExtremeHealthRadio.com/173, you’ll be able to check out everything that we talk about today. And if you’d like to join us on Facebook and keep up to date with our shows, our community is growing every single day and it’s a lot of fun interacting with you guys. Kate is going to be on there soon.

Kate: Yes, that’s right.

Justin: On the Facebook community.

Kate: Yep. Finally get my act together and one more thing to add, but I’m excited about it.

Justin: Yeah, that will be fun. So if you go to ExtremeHealthRadio.com/Facebook, you’ll be able to do that. Click the “like” button and you’ll be able to keep up to date with our past shows, our show archives, our future show schedules and all kinds of good stuff. If you’d like to join the show, there are lots of different ways to do that. If you want to go to ExtremeHealthRadio.com/Live and join the chat room and ask a question there, we recently launched the live show, so that would be a fun way to get your questions asked and listen to the show as it’s happening—unedited and raw. Nothing wrong with that. And if you’d like to send an email to Justin@ExtremeHealthRadio.com to ask a question, you can do that too, or…

Kate: Or to Kate@ExtremeHealthRadio.com as well.

Justin: Lots of great guests coming up. Dr. Jack Kruse tomorrow. We’re going to be talking about the Leptin Protocol, Cold Thermogenesis. He’s a neurosurgeon, Paleo kind of style guy—really interesting guy. Then we’ve got Emil DeToffol. I’m not sure how you say his last name, but he is with Less EMF.

Kate: Oh right.

Justin: And we’ll be talking about frequencies and all of this harmful electromagnetic field radiation that we have going on—most of us—from our cell phones and things. And then we have Daniel Vitalis talking about hormone health.

Kate: Oh, right. Yeah.

Justin: So this is good.

Kate: Got him back.

Justin: We love Daniel. And his website is Surthrival.com and if you’re interested in any of his products, if you go to our website, ExtremeHealthRadio.com/Surthrival, you’ll be able to check out his products. But today we have Dr. Victor Zeines and he has been practicing holistic dentistry for 25 years, received his degree from NYC College of Dentistry, completed an internship at Eastman Dental Center in Rochester, New York. And he has been in the practice of doing this since 1980 and he received his Master’s in Science and Nutrition from the University of Bridgeport, Connecticut, and he published an article back then called “Nutritional Eases Dental Problems,” published in 1980.

Kate: Golly.

Justin: He’s been talking about this stuff. So wow, a long time.

Kate: You’d think he might know a thing or two, huh?

Justin: He might know a thing or two. So thank you, Dr. Zeines, for being on the show today.

Victor: My pleasure.

Justin: And how are you doing today? Everything going well for you?

Victor: Everything is going quite well.

Justin: Excellent.

Victor: It’s not Southern California.

Kate: Yeah, we have it pretty darn good, I’ll say.

Justin: You’re in New York, right?

Victor: I’m up in Woodstock right now. I practice in New York City and in Woodstock, which is an interesting contrast, but it works for me. I’m an interesting contrast, so…

Kate: So it works out well.

Justin: Do you still see patients?

Victor: Oh yes. Quite a few.

Justin: Okay. And so do you see a lot of patients per day or how does that work for you now?

Victor: Well, yeah. We don’t see a lot per day. I’m not into seeing people every 20 minutes and going “Hi,” as they walk through.

Justin: Right.

Victor: But we see usually one every 45 minutes to an hour.

Justin: Okay, so you spend a little more time than most dentists do these days.

Victor: One tries.

Justin: And you’re the author of three books that we want to talk about—Live a Longer Life, Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body, and Your Tongue Never Lies.

Victor: Mm-hmm.

Justin: So those three are available on your website?

Victor: Oh yes. Yes, they certainly are.

Justin: Okay, excellent. And the most intriguing one, to me, sounds like Your Tongue Never Lies.

Kate: Yeah, that’s a great title.

Justin: Yeah.

Victor: Well, it’s very simple. There is a country… Oh, it’s some small country in Asia. I think it’s called China. They’ve been using tongue diagnosis for something like 5,000 years, which is a very easy way of seeing what’s going on in a body. It’s interesting that we do nothing about that in this country. But bottom line is that your tongue is the only internal organ that you actually can see. It’s got a high vascular rate and it shows up and changes quickly. Now I’m sure many people in your audience have had a cold or a flu or have done a detox program. What happens with your tongue when that goes on? Do you know?

Justin: Yeah, it gets white, right?

Victor: You got it. You got a gold star. It gets white. What that means is that toxins are coming out. So a very simple thing one can do in the morning is wake up and go to your bathroom and take a look in the mirror and stick your tongue out and see what it looks like. And you can get quite a bit of information about your own state of health. For instance, if your tongue is yellow or yellowish-green, it’s usually indicative of liver or gallbladder problems. If it’s gray or brownish-gray, it can be stomach or intestinal. We mentioned the white is basically a toxic condition. If you have cracks on the top of your tongue, that can be a vitamin deficiency. If you have scalloping on the sides of your tongue, it’s usually a mineral deficiency. And if your tongue is large and you have scalloping, you may in fact have sleep apnea. And if the tip of your tongue is red, it can be either heart or thyroid weakness. But those are some interesting things you can pick up just by waking up and going to the bathroom and looking in the mirror. The fact is that nobody looks at this except for dentists and unfortunately, this is not taught in dental school, to say the very least.

Justin: When your tongue is white like that, I’ve heard that’s related to candida? Is that correct?

Kate: Yeast, yeah.

Victor: That’s a whole other story. Yeah. What I want to do is just give people a little broad sense of what’s going on. Candida will show up not only on your tongue, but also on the sides of your cheeks. And since you brought it up, if you have composite fillings of plastic filling and you have like a dark outline around them, that can be either fungi or candida.

Kate: It’s hard to believe that that’s not taught in dental school. I mean your tongue is right there, smack in the middle of your mouth.

Victor: Dental school is good to teach you how to not stick your drill in someone’s eye, which is… Listen, that’s important to learn.

Kate: Yeah.

Justin: So what color should your tongue, in an ideal world, be? Just all pink like a dog’s?

Victor: It should be like a healthy—not quite like a dog’s—but a healthy pink color. It should be alive. Now if you have any of the things that we mentioned and you have that coating on your tongue—that coloration—if it’s a thick coating, it means it’s chronic; it’s been there for a while. So I wrote my books, basically in sequence. The first one was Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body, and before we even get into that, I tell people flat-out if you get the books and you read them and you do what we say, if it doesn’t add ten years to your life, you write us and we’ll give you a full refund. Now we say that somewhat tongue in cheek because obviously you won’t know, but there is a lot of truth to that as well, which is why we do specials out whenever we do radio shows.

Justin: As far as holistic dentistry—people’s teeth—let’s just start off with why do people need to worry about their teeth so much? I mean I know and Kate knows and you know, but for some of the listeners that may be listening, why is it so important to keep our teeth health?

Victor: Because it’s not about your teeth. It’s just that simple. What would you say if we said, “There is a way you can tell if you have a vitamin or mineral deficiency or a compromised immune system” and before you really get symptoms of problems there is a way of telling that this is going to occur? You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

Justin: Oh yeah.

Kate: Oh yeah.

Victor: Sure. Okay, well you have it. It’s called your mouth. So what people don’t understand is—and maybe it’s because dentistry and medicine diverged a while ago—but basically, dental school and med school are actually the same; the first two years are identical and in many ways med and dental schools attend the same classes. But then clinically, it changes. We concentrate on the mouth and they do the rest of the body. And I think that’s foolish because in Europe, you really need an MD degree and then you go on to dentistry. It’s a different ballgame. But that being said, the mouth is not this thing that’s on a leash that you carry behind you. It’s the first part of your digestive system. It’s one of the most sensitive parts of your body. So let’s just say you go to your dentist… And I’m sure people have gone and experienced having the hygienist tell you that you need to brush a little bit more, you need to floss a little bit more; you’ve still got plaque. Well, you can do that forever, but it’s not going to change because what’s going on has very little to do with you not brushing or you not flossing enough. Everybody in this country… Well, maybe with the exception of some people, but we won’t go into that.

Justin: Right.

Victor: Brushes and flosses, or brushes, at any rate—flosses is a little overrated, in my opinion, but that’s another story for another time. At any rate, you do keep your mouth clean. But you can do that forever and nothing is going to change until somebody points out to you that “You know what? It’s not really about your mouth. It’s that the acid-base balance in your body is off and your mouth is too acidic and what happens when your mouth is too acidic is your saliva is acidic, so it’s like precipitating out the minerals that are in saliva… They precipitate out and go on your teeth and they start forming plaque. And while this is going on, the bad bacteria start developing or starting to grow more because the environment is better for them than it is for the good guys. So you have either tooth decay or gum disease and it’s really little to do with your mouth.”

See, most of what we consider diseases of the mouth aren’t really; it’s just symptoms of the body balance such as tooth decay and gum disease. And if you have that, it’s an easy way to determine once you have this, because the eyes may be, as they say, the “window to the soul,” but many scientists would now say the mouth is the window to the body. So that’s what’s going on with this. Now dental problems basically come from four main areas. One is not getting the proper nutrients, not properly absorbing them, stress, or hormonal imbalances. So something is going on that you’re getting these things and the question becomes “What?” So let’s just talk about gum diseases to start.

Justin: Okay.

Kate: Great.

Victor: And before we even get there, I’m going to just toss one thing out. 80% of our population has some form of gum disease.

Kate: Wow.

Victor: Which means that most of your listeners have some form of gum disease. Now I have to preface that because you guys are in Southern California, so already I’m jealous. There is a real reason for this, aside from… I mean I live in Woodstock. It’s a great area. But you guys can get fresh food all year and that makes a difference. We can put that aside. But just a couple things. Charles Mayo noted over 90 years ago—see, this is not brand new ‘Hey, I just found out about this yesterday’ stuff—noted that people who keep their teeth live an average of ten years longer than people who don’t.

Justin: People who keep all of their teeth? Okay.

Victor: Mm-hmm. And in the surgeon general’s report in the year 2000—I’m quoting this now—it said, “The terms of oral and general health should not be interpreted as separate entities. Oral health is integral to general health. This means that you cannot be healthy without oral health. We find that studies show that poor dental health results in early death from any cause.”

Justin: Poor dental health, and that means cavities, root canals—all of it, right?

Victor: Yep. Yeah, and there are reasons for that and we’ll get into it. Avoiding periodontal disease—not just important for keeping the teeth, but for keeping the rest of your body healthy.

Justin: So one question I have is we’ve heard a lot of people say that cancer is caused by root canals and things, and heart attacks are caused by root canals, but it’s almost like you’re saying the opposite thing, in terms of where the actual root of the problem is. You’re saying that if someone needs a root canal or something like that—they have really poor dental health—you’re saying that the actual problem starts in the body itself and then it just sort of manifests itself to the teeth and to the gums and things, right?

Victor: Well, we’re saying both. I’m saying both. There was a study done at the University of Michigan reported that people with gum disease were much more likely to have cardiovascular disease, even after accounting for all other causes such as smoking, cholesterol, triglycerides and obesity. Still, you had a 2.5 times greater chance of getting heart disease than if you didn’t have gum disease. If your gums are infected, you triple the risk of having a stroke. And this is according to a 1998 study. Another one done at the University of Buffalo, where they surveyed almost 10,000 people, found that if you had gum disease, you were 35% more likely to have a stroke. And this goes on and on and on.

So why is this happening? Okay, the simple answer is “Because.” To make it a little more complicated, it’s that when you have gum disease, those bacteria that we talked about before are going in the mouth and they’re underneath the plaque, and they secrete toxins. And those toxins start destroying the bone. Then you get inflammation. It’s not uncommon for people to come in and go, “You know, my guns are receding.” It’s not that the gums are receding. It’s that they’re getting bone loss and the gums are just following it down.

Justin: Oh, okay, so there is actual bone loss occurring?

Victor: Yeah. And what’s happening with that is the body responds to those toxins by putting out what’s called C-reactive protein and that’s the body’s response to inflammation. So periodontal disease, unfortunately, is one of the primary causes of inflammation in most people.

Kate: Wow.

Victor: When you start predicting heart attacks, you really should measure the C-reactive protein, because that’s more indicative of heart attacks than cholesterol, and it’s actually the causative agent in heart disease, and it can be reduced by reducing periodontal disease because that periodontal disease is related to increased levels of C-reactive proteins. As I mentioned, the toxins—which are generated as waste by periodontal bacteria—get into the blood and they trigger the liver to make more C-reactive protein. And where would that go? Now this is stuff that causes inflammation. It’s going in your arteries and it’ll go into your heart. This actually made the front page—I think it was 2008, I’m not sure—on Time Magazine, and it just says “The Secret Killer: The Surprising Link Between Inflammation and Heart Attacks, Cancer, Alzheimer’s and Other Diseases—What You Can Do To Fight It.”

Justin: And they actually had this on Time Magazine?

Victor: This was on the front cover.

Kate: Wow.

Justin: Wow, that’s a bit…

Kate: Shocking.

Justin: Yeah.

Victor: Yeah. And there are lots of studies about this. US Public Release—this is 2003—identifies C-reactive protein as the cause of blood clot formation. New York Times had a health article where they talked about two studies suggested protein has a big role in heart disease. “Periodontal therapy lowers levels of heart disease.” “Cancer: Chronic Inflammation As a Cause of Tissue Malignancy.” So it would be a very good thing for many people if they do have gum disease to get a blood test, because you want to find out what your C-reactive protein level is. If it’s below 1, then you have low risk of problems. If it’s from 1-3, you have moderate risk. And if it’s over 3, I would check for cancer.

Justin: Would they go to their doctor and get that tested in a complete blood count—a CBC—or would they…?

Victor: You could have your dentist do it too.

Justin: Oh, okay. So they could actually test that for you?

Victor: Oh, sure. Yeah. Now that being said, men with gum disease have a 63% higher risk of getting pancreatic cancer.

Kate: Oh my gosh.

Victor: And again, a study released in January of 2007—Harvard’s Bay Study—suggested mouth bacteria and the body’s attempt to fight them may produce carcinogenic chemicals, which trigger disease. So this goes on and on. Now I can give you some herbs that will help your mouth, but before we get there…

Justin: Actually, we need to take a short break here. Yeah, we’re right up against a break.

Kate: Let’s get into that though.

Justin: Yeah, I want to get into that in the next segment, and into root canals too. That’s a huge issue for people. So we’re with Dr. Victor Zeines, and his website is NatDent.com and if you do NatDent.com/EHR, you’ll be able to see the books—his three e-books—that he’s got there, and don’t forget to check that out. We’re going to be right back with Dr. Zeines, right after this break.

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Justin: Like you said in your program, it is what eventually takes down all mammals, isn’t it?

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Justin: So it really relates to everything. Does it also cause fibrosis and the shrinking of internal organs and things?

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Justin: All right. We’re having a great time here with Dr. Victor Zeines and his website is NatDent.com. He is a great one if you guys are interested in holistic health. I mean his whole practice doesn’t just go to dentistry. He is very, very well rounded in everything—even spirituality and all kinds of stuff that I’ve been researching on him—so he’s just a really great resource. So I would highly recommend checking out his website, NatDent.com. If you go to NatDent.com/EHR, you can pick up these three books that he’s got—Live A Longer Life, Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body, and Your Tongue Never Lies. So don’t forget to check those out. And also, as the lady said, don’t forget to follow us on Facebook if you want to keep up to date with all of our shows. I’d love to have you do that. So Dr. Zeines, before the break, you were just about to say—we want to get into root canals during this segment as well—but you were about to mention some herbs and even before that, you were going to give some advice on what people can do…

Kate: Other than herbs, maybe?

Justin: Other then herbs, I think, right?

Victor: Yeah. Well, think of it like this. I mean we talk about gum disease link between heart attacks, cancer and diseases in general. And if you stop and think for a minute, that’s all very interesting, but what if we talked about it this way? Forget about gum disease. What if it wasn’t a disease? What if it’s just the first warning sign of the body being out of balance? That’s really, to me, what it is.

Justin: And your mouth is simply just that, right? It’s just a warning sign of what’s going on internally?

Victor: Exactly. And it’s weird the way we treat that. Let’s say you have a cut on your pinkie finger, you went to your doctor and he said, “You have an infection on your pinkie finger. We’re going to cut it off.” Would you do that? Probably not.

Justin: No.

Victor: So why would you go to a dentist who says, “You know, your gums are infected. We’re going to do gum surgery.” I’m like, “What? You going to cut my gums off?” “Yeah, we’re going to cut the unhealthy tissue off and make it better.” I don’t think so. Not when you can just take a combination of oregano oil (10 drops), clove oil (5 drops) and olive oil (5 drops) and mix that together and get one of those little proxy brushes from a drugstore, and just take that and go in between your teeth with that and you’ll see the inflammation will get much better.

Justin: What was the second oil—clove oil?

Victor: Yeah, start with oregano oil—that’s the most antibacterial—and you use 10 drops of that and then 5 drops of clove oil and 5 drops of olive oil, because the clove oil by itself is strong; it’ll kind of burn.

Justin: And you can get food grade options of these oils and then you can just drop them on your toothbrush?

Victor: Yep.

Justin: Interesting. And then you just brush like that every night?

Victor: Yeah, you can do that or you can put them on those little proxy brushes—those brushes that you can buy at the drugstore that go in between your teeth, and they will get all the debris out in between there as well. And all of a sudden, you’ll see your gums are getting a little bit better. You also have to change your diet. We’ll go to that diet after we get through with root canals. So think about—as I said—think about gum disease as the beginning of nutritional deficiencies, first sign. Think about all dentistry like that. Aside from… Well, I was going to say aside from just eating garbage. But the fact is, if you’re eating garbage, you’re nutritionally deficient. If you spend a lot of time… And unfortunately, we have a large segment of the population that thinks fast food restaurants are religious experiences. And they have to learn that no, it is not. And not only that, but that may be fast, but that’s certainly not food.

Justin: That’s not food.

Victor: You know? If it were up to me, I’d have every one of those closed and I’d have Ronald McDonald taken out and shot because none of that stuff has anything to do with health. There is a great study, which illustrates this, done at the University of Alabama. They took 160 pregnant women, divided it in half, and they found that the women who had tooth decay were having more problems giving birth, giving birth to lower birth weight babies, and those babies also developed slower and were more prone to disease than the women who didn’t have cavities.

Justin: So just having the cavities themselves is causing all these traumatic birth problems?

Victor: No. No. Think about it for a minute. Based on what we’re saying, it’s not even the cavities causing it. They have cavities because they’re nutritionally deficient.

Justin: Ah, I see. Okay.

Victor: And their diet’s not good. We have a place in Florida and we went down and my wife was astounded because one of the checkout people, her front tooth was missing. And she just said, “How can anybody walk around like that?” There are a lot of people who walk around like that, A, because they can’t afford care, but that’s a whole other story, but the fact is that her diet, for whatever reason, was such that she’s losing teeth. And we’re talking about someone who’s in their late 20s, maybe early 30s.

Kate: Oh man.

Victor: So you get a lot of that. And these are people who are nutritionally deficient and you can see that down the road, if things don’t change, other things are going to happen and none of them are going to be good.

Justin: Wow, so going back to your essential oils and the toothbrush, would someone brush their teeth like that and then would they leave that in their mouth or would they rinse that out or how does that work?

Victor: No, you rinse it out.

Justin: Okay.

Victor: You don’t need to go nuts over there. You just need to do it and get things done properly. Now there are a lot of other herbs you can use. We mentioned cloves. You can use garlic and propolis, which is a nice combination because it’s antibacterial and it’s a mild acidic.

Justin: And so would someone buy those and use them topically?

Victor: Yeah. All of this you can just put on your toothbrush or a rubber tip or that proxy brush and just use it that way. You can make a tea with licorice (1-1.5 teaspoons) with a half a cup of water, and mix it with a teaspoon of [inaudible 0:31:36.3] , and that is very anti-inflammatory. Or you can use lemon balm (4 teaspoons of the powder) with a cup of water, and that’s antiviral and antibacterial. Chamomile and mullein are good combinations. Echinacea and goldenseal. We used to use a combination in my office years ago of Echinacea, goldenseal and myrrh, and I tell my patients “This is going to taste terrible. It’s going to turn you puke yellow, but it’s going to get rid of your gum disease.” This was the early ‘80s and there are better ways now, but people would do it and boom—got better. There are ways to reduce tooth decay. Get alfalfa, dandelion and horsetail. It adds minerals. If you think about what we’re really talking about here is just adding things to your diet that are probably lacking in most people.

Justin: Yeah, these are things people can add in just as like teas, couldn’t they?

Victor: Sure.

Justin: Yeah, just make a tea every night and you could go online or go to your health food store, buy these things in bulk, and make a tea the night before and have it ready in the morning, couldn’t you?

Victor: Yeah, you could do a lot like that. Now see, you guys are excluded from this, but let’s just say that you have like the best diet—it’s all organic food and it’s the best diet and you have absolutely no stress in your life and no pollution—the question becomes, how old is your food?

Justin: How old is the food? Is that what you said?

Victor: Yeah. Yeah.

Kate: Wow.

Victor: Think about it. How old is your food? See, you can go every day and get food that’s picked the day before, but most people can’t. Most people get food… It’s not like you go into the health food store and “Oh, Justin’s here,” and they run out right in the backyard, they pick it, and they hand it to you.

Justin: Right.

Victor: It’s usually like a minimum of a week old. So what do you think you’re getting nutritionally from week-old food? If you’re lucky, you’re getting 40% of what you need.

Justin: And usually, these things are picked when they are not even ripe yet too, right?

Victor: Yeah, we won’t even go into that.

Justin: Yeah.

Victor: That’s another story, totally.

Justin: Yeah, because they pick them when they’re not ripe and then they’re three weeks before, so that…

Victor: Right. So let’s just say this is organic, it is ripe, but it’s still going to take a week to get to you, and you’re getting 40% of what you need. So if you’re not taking supplements to counteract that and to build up your immune system and give you what you need, you’re going to be nutritionally deficient. And if you start thinking about “Gee, 80% of our…” 80% is a lot of people—80% of a population having gum disease. You might even get a little weird and say, you know, it’s normal to be sick. It’s those 20% that are weird because they’re healthy. What?

Kate: Totally.

Victor: But that seems to be where we’re at right now. So what we want to do is build up awareness. You asked me about the books before, and the first book I wrote was Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body, because to me, it was like yeah, if your mouth is healthy, your body is going to be healthy. And that was not picked up to be made into a movie. So “Let me try my second book,” Living A Longer Life. Hey, if you do this, you’ll live longer. And coupled with the Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body book, you really can get a lot of stuff for yourself that you will live longer—no question about it. And then the third one I wrote, The Tongue Never Lies—hey, here’s a great way you can monitor what you’re doing. And we have pictures in that book that you would not believe. People are going on detox programs and their tongues look like somebody’s doormat.

Kate: Oh gosh.

Victor: And then two to three weeks later—you can see some of these on the website—but two to three weeks later, they’re nice and pink, just from changing your diet.

Justin: And that’s only two to three weeks? I mean that’s amazing you can achieve that much in two to three weeks.

Kate: So Doctor, is the tongue scraping a total joke? I mean obviously the inner terrain is going to keep coming out and you’re going to keep scraping your tongue, but what do you have to say about tongue scraping?

Victor: I’m not a big fan.

Kate: Not a big fan?

Victor: No. I mean if you feel like doing it, do it, but it’s not… Basically, what you’re doing is you’re getting the crud off that’s on your mouth.

Kate: Right.

Victor: That’s very nice and then you go have your day, but as you’re scraping I want to go and tap you on your shoulder and go, “Why are you doing that?” and you say, “Well, I’m getting the crud off” and I go, “Great, but why are you getting the crud in the first place? How about we address that so you don’t get crud that you have to scrape off?”

Kate: Right. That’s what I was thinking you were going to say.

Justin: We have a couple more minutes here before the segment, and maybe we can start on the root canal thing—take a break and continue on. But why do you think so many people need root canals? It’s such a huge thing. Everyone seems to have them.

Victor: Because people are nutritionally deficient. I mean think about what we’re talking about. 80% of our population has some form of gum disease. So immediately, from my point of view, they are not getting what they need and they have weakened immune systems. What that means is—the second thing that means to me—is you’re going to get tooth decay. You have your choice. You can get gum disease and maybe fit into a heart attack, or get tooth decay and wind up getting root canal teeth. Now there are also other things with this. The problem with dentistry is we don’t heal. I think of myself as a healer, but mostly what we do is we fix stuff, which is why if we get a chance, we should talk about acupuncture and how these teeth, when you have work done, activates meridians and they stay active, because we don’t heal them. We can never get a tooth back to normal. If you were a rat, we could do that with stem cells now, but we’re probably 10-15 years away from putting stem cells in people to regrow teeth.

Justin: Yeah, I’ve heard of people trying to regrow the little pulp of the roots and things.

Victor: They are starting to do that now. If you need a root canal, the research is showing that you can put stem cells in the tooth and regrow the nerve and the blood supply, and you wouldn’t need a root canal—maybe, because once that’s done, what are you going to put on top of that? We don’t know how to replace the enamel or the dentin and those are the two materials that are the hardest materials in your body and they protect that nerve and blood supply.

Justin: I’m surprised people aren’t walking around with a mouthful of no teeth. You know what I mean? With all this nutritional deficiency. I mean if people like us are eating some of our food out of our garden—not much of it these days—but if we’re eating some of our food like that, with good soils and stuff, and all of the food we buy is organic, and if we are nutritionally deficient, which I’m sure there is a possibility that’s the case… If we’re eating as well as we’re eating, I can’t imagine the amount of nutritional deficiency that’s happening in the average person eating bread and white flour products and things.

Victor: Well, that’s why there are a lot of dentists in the country. There is a reason for it. And I have to say, even conventional dentistry, which doesn’t do any of this stuff—they’re just busy repairing things. Actually, after three years I gave up dentistry because I felt it was silly, because all we were doing was repairing stuff. And people would come in and it was like you’d stick your finger in the dam to plug the little leak and then they’d come in again and you’d stick another finger in the other place to do it, and all of a sudden, you run out of fingers and toes and the same problem is going on.

And I said, “This is crazy. There has got to be a better way.” And I couldn’t find one at the time, so I dropped out and became a therapist and worked with improv theater group, and I found through my therapy practice that I noticed people were making changes based on nutritional work and I was making changes in my own life at that time—was eating a lot more organically. I found some books written in the ‘30s and ‘40s and early ‘50s by dentists that were talking about all this. I said, “Jeez, this is the way I want to practice.” So I went back to my dental school and said, “Can you guys show me how to set up a practice like this?” and they said, “Get lost. Nutrition has absolutely no place in dentistry. Go away. Silly stuff. Don’t bother us with that.”

Justin: Wow.

Victor: And almost went to chiropractic school, but I started taking a lot of chiropractic courses and got certified in acupuncture and things like that, and found that “Gee, I could set up a dental practice where not only we’re using non-toxic materials, but we can work with vitamins and do all these things” and we started doing that and never looked back.

Justin: Wow. This is a great time to take a break. Very interesting. After the break, I want to talk a little bit about some of the acupuncture things and some prevention things people can do. Don’t forget to check out his website. Again, it’s NatDent.com and if you do NatDent.com/EHR, you can check out the three books that he has to sell to you—really, really good stuff. So make sure to check that out and we’ll be right back with Dr. Victor Zeines, right after this break.

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Justin: All right. We’re having a great time here with Dr. Victor Zeines from NatDent.com, and as the lady said, don’t forget to sign up to our newsletter list. We are giving away a great, great e-book called Lessons From The Miracle Doctors, which sells for $20 on Amazon. So you get that for free…

Kate: You might learn a thing or two, like we’re learning right now.

Justin: Yeah, it’s really great. It’s 177 pages with tons of information about how to do cleansing and natural healing protocols—all kinds of good stuff. So don’t forget to check that out. And also, don’t forget to check out NatDent.com/EHR, to check out the three e-books that Dr. Victor Zeines has—Live A Longer Life, Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body, Your Tongue Never Lies, and a bunch of other information as well that you can get there for really good deals. So Dr. Zeines, before the break we were having a good discussion and I think in this next segment, it would be interesting to talk a little bit about some of the acupuncture that you talked about and the meridian systems of the body and how they all interconnect with the teeth and things.

Victor: All right. Here’s how it works. Each meridian contains a primary organ and several secondary ones. And they all share a finite amount of energy. So if one particular organ on the meridian is weakened by bacteria or toxins or whatever, then the other organs on that meridian share energy with the weak one until it heals.

Justin: So somehow they share that energy?

Victor: Yeah.

Justin: Interesting.

Victor: So here’s the problem. We never heal teeth, which means that the energy is always going from the other organs on that meridian to the tooth, trying to heal it. So let’s say you have a filling on a canine tooth. It’s not uncommon for people to come in showing their tongues being yellow or yellowish-green because the canine tooth is related to the liver-gallbladder system and that color is related to liver-gallbladder. So unless you know that—even though you’re eating well and think you’re doing the right things—unless you know about that connection and know that you need to add a little bit more… because that system, in this case liver-gallbladder, is essentially weakened and you want to build your liver-gallbladder system up doing detox programs, etc.—you’ll always have some sort of energetic problem, which may down the road become more physical.

So let’s just go through which teeth relate to what. The front four teeth on the top and the bottom are related to the urogenital system—primarily the ovaries, the testicles, kidney, and the bladder, the adrenals and the pineal gland. The canine teeth are related to the gallbladder, the liver, the pituitary gland, and the eyes. That’s why they are also called “eye teeth.” The large intestine is the next one and that is the two pre-molars on the top and the two molars on the bottom, and that’s related to the large intestine, the thymus, the pancreas and the lungs. And that’s an interesting one because many times—before we go through the rest of this—we find people come in with pain in the lower first molar tooth and we’ll take pictures, do an exam, and the tooth is perfectly fine, and the next question becomes “How is your digestion?” and the answer is invariably “Well, not so good.” So we would send them to an acupuncturist to go have that work done. And guess what? After a while, the pain goes away.

Justin: Is it possible for the teeth to reflex to different… not just organs in your body, like you said, with the colon and things and different glands, but is it possible to have teeth relate to different parts of your body like joints, like your knee or your ankle or anything like that too?

Victor: The short answer is yes.

Justin: Okay.

Victor: Just moving on with this for a minute.

Justin: Yeah.

Victor: Your upper molars and your lower pre-molars are the stomach-thyroid and that’s related to the kidneys, pancreas, parathyroid, thyroid and mammary glands. Breast cancer is related to these teeth being out of balance. And I hate mentioning this one because how many people listening have had their wisdom teeth removed? You can raise your hands and you’ll see there are a lot of them.

Justin: Yeah, I have myself. Yeah.

Victor: That’s not so good, because it’s related to the heart and the adrenal glands and blood pressure.

Justin: Interesting. Okay, so blood pressure, heart and adrenal glands for all four wisdom teeth?

Victor: Yeah.

Justin: Okay. And what do you do now if those teeth have been removed?

Victor: You punt. Really what you have to do is just know what’s being affected by it, so what you would want to do is take supplements that would build up your heart, build up your adrenal glands. There’s a ton of stuff out there. You just look up whatever you want to do. There are millions of them.

Justin: Okay, so the idea then is—if you have had teeth removed—is to figure out where they correspond, as far as the organs and glands and then start working on those glands.

Victor: Yeah. Now not only removed. Also if you have a filling, because it’s not healed; it’s just fixed.

Justin: I see. Okay.

Victor: And 90% of the filling materials out there are somewhat toxic. That’s the whole other story. So you’ve got to deal with that. I’m not even talking about mercury fillings, which are totally toxic and shouldn’t be allowed in human beings on any level. I’m talking about the white ones—the composites. They’re not so great for you. And 90% of what we use in my office is porcelain. It’s completely non-reactive. And the materials that we do use—the composites we do use—we’ve had tested, because I see a lot of people who have had cancer and with those people you want to make sure you don’t do anything that’s going to compromise their immune system. They have enough going on.

Kate: Yeah.

Justin: If people have tooth issues, like they think they have maybe a cavity or something like that, the first thing they should do is find a holistic dentist in their area?

Victor: I would.

Justin: Okay, and then start… What are some things people can do to take care of their teeth on a daily basis? Obviously flossing, but…

Kate: And the oils.

Justin: And the oils. Do you recommend baking soda and things like that?

Victor: Baking soda and peroxide, because that’s an old method that’s called the Key Plan, and it’s been used for a long time, just to alkalize your mouth. Yeah, it’s fine. You can even use salt and just brush your teeth with that. The key really is to have a good diet. And this is not new stuff. Like I said, Weston Price wrote a book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, in the 1930s, and the book was based on his travels around the world where he went to check to see what goes on in primitive societies. At that point—which really hasn’t changed much—the United States, one of the leading industrial countries in the world, has a decay rate of between 20-25%. You mentioned like everybody and his mom have root canals. Okay, if you’ve got a decay rate of 20-25%, you’re going to wind up with root canals.

But he wanted to see “What exactly is the story with that? What happens with primitive people?” So he went all around the world and took a gazillion pictures and he found that… He would check out tribes like the Maasai in Africa, and they had a largely meat diet, and they had a decay rate of about 6%. And he’d check out the vegetarian tribes in regions, and they had a decay rate of also between 5-6%. And he found the healthiest tribes were like the Dinkas, which is a Sudanese tribe in the Nile, and they had a mixed diet—some meat, and when we’re talking about meat, we’re also talking about a lot of insects, which is one of the healthiest forms of protein for humans are termites.

Kate: Really?

Victor: Yeah. Now we have a cultural bias about eating stuff like that. You like your stuff packaged and from cows and things like that. If you eat meat, you’re much better off eating fish than the meat that’s raised—just a different animal. But insects make up a large part of the diet. And stop and think about it. It makes a lot more sense, because human beings, essentially, are omnivores; they’re not vegetarians. They’ll eat anything that crosses their path. But hunting is not so successful with primitive people. Like homo habilis lived two million years and if a rabbit came by, yeah, they’d whack it with a rock, but to go hunt reindeer or deer or buffalo or whatever, if they were lucky, they got a kill maybe one out of ten times. Mostly we got food from the women who were the gatherers. And what are you going to find? You’re going to find termites. The whole tribe would come and everybody would sit and eat them, or root vegetables or eggs—a lot of things. And when you have a diet like that, it’s a great diet. It’s actually better than most diets today. So that makes a big difference for people. And he publishes studies and you can get the book now. It’s sold by the Price [inaudible 0:56:03.1] Foundation.

Justin: What do you make of the mercury that people are talking about with Fukushima and the fish and things? Is that an issue for people?

Victor: I don’t think the mercury in fish is so bad. I think the mercury in silver fillings is a lot worse. We don’t even call them silver fillings. We call them mercury fillings. That’s pretty much what they are. And let’s talk about that for a minute. According to World Health Organization, mercury is a prime—amalgams, the silver fillings, they’re called—are a prime source of mercury exposure. There is over 180 million Americans have mercury fillings and each one releases between 3-17 mcg of mercury every day. It’s released in the forms methyl mercury, which is highly toxic, and it’s absorbed through the oral tissues and the air path is used to transport it to the brain and other tissues.

And if any one of you think that this is a good thing because your dentist said it is, try this. Go get a mercury thermometer and walk into a public school and drop it so that the mercury breaks open, and watch what happens. You know what happens? They send a hazmat team to clean it up. We’re talking about 20 drops of something. So why on God’s Earth would you want to have that in your mouth? Plus the American Dental Association has mandated that in 2014, every dental office has what’s called a mercury separator so that if you’re removing mercury or putting it in, the excess has to go into a special separator machine and that’s stored as a toxic waste. So think about this for a minute. Talk about stupidity.

Kate: That’s right.

Victor: In a year and a half, or rather in a year, we have to treat this as a toxic substance. What about now? What about now? It’s not like they’re changing these things. All of a sudden it’s January and they’re toxic, but meanwhile, because it’s November, they’re good? What are people, crazy? I mean why wasn’t this done 20 years ago? We certainly knew about it. We knew about this in the 18^th century.

Justin: It’s nuts how people don’t think about this and put two and two together because even though the dental offices, when they take out the mercury fillings from people, don’t they have to package them up and they have a special person come who is protected and…?

Kate: Disposes of them?

Justin: Yeah.

Victor: Well, it depends. If somebody knows what they’re doing, yeah. If not, then they just throw them out. Just for the heck of it last week, I went on the web to see about some of the phenols that gas out from a lot of the composite materials that we have—the white filling materials. And I happened to come across a dental website and it just went on and the guy was talking about mercury fillings and how they are safe and he’s put them in his kids and his wife and he has some. And I thought to myself “This man is a moron.” In this day and age, where they are completely banned in Europe and when dentists are using them they’re supposed to have—particularly in California—a sign on the office that says, “This office uses mercury fillings and we do not recommend them for kids or pregnant women.” But for the rest of us, it’s okay. It’s like if you’re a guy, it’s totally safe to use. Where do people come up with this stuff? Like “My God, what are these people smoking?” But this is what they would come out with and it’s supposed to be okay. But for who?

Kate: Right. Hey, Doctor, I have one quick question. I don’t know how often you see this, but I have a strange mouth. What about people like me who have…? I have a couple teeth that are completely inside out. They are backward. They grew in completely backwards. So when I smile, what’s supposed to be on the inside of my tooth is on the outside. How important is that with health and the placement of teeth and how they grow in and things like that?

Victor: I think it’s kind of cool. I’d like to meet you.

Kate: Have you ever met anybody with my kind of issue?

Victor: Actually, no. That’s why I’d like to meet you.

Kate: You’re kidding!

Victor: That being said, as long as it doesn’t bother you, it’s fine.

Kate: Okay.

Victor: Years ago, when veneers first started, I had a woman patient who got into a big fight with me because she wanted veneers and I said, “No, your teeth are healthy. You just don’t need them” and she said, “Listen, I’m a singer and every time I open my mouth I’m embarrassed.” She got her veneers in three weeks.

Kate: I bet.

Justin: I bet. If they’re convinced to do it, they’re going to do it, right?

Kate: Well, with me it was so funny. I had seven years, on and off, of orthodontics, and they tried to flip those suckers around a few times, and they were so stubborn and they’d go right back, so finally, we let them go.

Victor: Yeah, leave them alone.

Kate: That’s funny. Okay, so that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s connected to a major health problem like you would with a cavity or anything like that?

Victor: No, not at all. It just means your teeth are backwards. Since you brought that up, maybe your teeth are the right way, but your entire body is backwards.

Kate: Maybe my brain, maybe my head…

Justin: Everything is backwards.

Kate: You know what? I’ve never thought about it like that, but I’m going to be pondering that all day today. That’s great.

Justin: Dr. Zeines, I know we’re wrapping up here. I wanted to ask you one final thing. Is there a relation to mineralization of teeth and how they grow in? Because as you know, and as Weston Price has pointed out, that especially people in like America, Europe, and all these modern, western nations have really crowded mouths… Does the amount of minerals that a mother gets during pregnancy—and the child growing up too—does that have a direct impact on the width of their mouth and things?

Victor: Absolutely. That was the second thing he found in his studies—that all these primitive tribes had great arches, no crowding, no need for orthodontia work. Now he also found that they also didn’t have heart attacks and blood pressure disease and very little cancer. But he was focusing on teeth, so that became a side issue for him.

Justin: Okay. Well, good stuff. Well, thank you, Doctor, for being on. I feel like we need to do more segments with you, because we could talk for an hour or two just on any one of the points that I have written down in my notes here. So maybe this is a good introduction for people to your work. And so those three e-books are available for people on NatDent.com/EHR?

Victor: That’s correct. And we try to give them…. We have a bonus that we do. If you get the books… See, I want the information out there. And as we talked earlier, I can spend a half an hour with someone and I could add ten years. That’s what I do. But how many people am I going to see in a day? 10, 12 people, if I push myself? But you start getting this out and people read this and go, “You know, these are good books. They’re helpful. It’s an easy read,” and I wrote them so you don’t have to be a physician or anybody to understand the books. They’re simple. And I want people to read them and say, “You know, you ought to get these. These are great books.” But we do a special just to encourage it. If you order the three books, we give you a bonus. It’s a dental information kit for patients. They’re PDFs and it talks about acupuncture, periodontal disease, tongue diagnosis, root canals, dental primer, how to stay healthy, color therapy, magnets and herbs, and it’s a $55 retail package for $35.

Kate: Oh, that’s great.

Justin: Boy, that’s a good deal. So there are eight patient guides that you have that go along with that that you just throw in for free. This is really cool.

Victor: Yeah.

Justin: Interesting stuff.

Kate: You have some pretty amazing things.

Justin: Yeah, thank you for being on today and is there anything you want to close out with—any new things you’re working on—anything like that?

Victor: I think we just mentioned it. We really want to start… This is the first year we’re doing… I’ve done many, many radio and TV shows, but this is the first year we’re really starting to promote the books and get them out there, because it’s time, you know?

Kate: Yeah.

Victor: Particularly with what’s going on with health in this country, it’s kind of a joke, and if you do the things that you can do, I think it’s your God-given right to have a healthy, happy life. And hopefully these will point you in the right direction.

Justin: Well, this is good stuff. So check out his website—Dr. Zeines’s website—NatDent.com, and if you want to check out the special, those e-books that you can read on your Kindle and any of your other devices, computer, you can go to NatDent.com/EHR and check out the patient guides and all that stuff. Good stuff. Thanks, Doc, for being on today. Really appreciate it.

Victor: It’s been a real pleasure.

Justin: Okay, we’ll keep in touch soon, okay?

Victor: Okay. You take care.

Kate: Thanks, Doc. You too.

Justin: So Doctor Victor Zeines—great guy, huh?

Kate: Great guy. Gosh. I feel like every single guest we have on, we keep learning something new, even if we’ve already had other dentists prior.

Justin: You know, I thought it was cool how he gave all those herbs too. Remember he was talking about the herbs that you can put on your toothbrush to get rid of gum disease? Receding gums and things?

Kate: That was really… It sounds really imperative to get those kinds of combinations between your teeth, like he was talking about, like actually getting them—not just brushing the surface—but getting between with one of those proxy brushes and things?

Justin: What’s that?

Kate: I don’t know. I’ve never heard of a proxy brush, but I want to go check it out now.

Justin: Is a proxy brush…? Is that similar to like the kind that I use to floss, like those little flossing pick things?

Kate: I don’t think so. I’m picturing it more like a little thing with little bristles that you can really get in there or something.

Justin: Wow.

Kate: I have no idea.

Justin: Yeah, that’s interesting.

Kate: Yeah, right?

Justin: I liked what he was saying. And too, that whole tongue chart thing was pretty interesting. What was he saying? If the tip of your tongue is red, it’s something to do with your colon health? Or was that your heart?

Kate: Oh gosh.

Justin: I’m going to have to re-listen to this.

Kate: I am too. I know. That’s so much information thrown at you.

Justin: Wow.

Kate: I thought it was interesting about the colors coming onto the tongue, like correlate to those different problems in your body.

Justin: Oh yeah.

Kate: Different disease, or if you have green stuff going on, it might be your liver or…

Justin: Yeah.

Kate: And I thought it was interesting too, because I’ve always wondered about that tongue scraping. It’s like anything else. You scrape it off. It goes away, and comes back again. It’s not like… You have to obviously treat the internal terrain too and get to the root of the problem.

Justin: Yeah. I mean it makes sense to want to get rid of that at the root level, you know? Not just scrape it off, but…

Kate: The more you learn, the more you want to get to the very root of it, don’t you?

Justin: To the root of the problem. And we talked a little bit about the root canals. That was good.

Kate: That was good.

Justin: I could spend a whole show with him, just on root canals, you know?

Kate: Oh gosh. I know.

Justin: I mean there are so many questions that I could ask him about that.

Kate: Root canals… I wonder what the percentage of people is that have a root canal. Probably…

Justin: Do you have any, or no?

Kate: I have one.

Justin: You have one?

Kate: Do you have one?

Justin: I do. Yeah, we are going to go to… We’re going to try… I don’t know. We’re considering going back to Dr. Stuart Nunnally.

Kate: If we can get over there.

Justin: What part of Texas is he in?

Kate: Marble Falls.

Justin: Marble Falls. And then now we’re considering going to Dr. Javier Morales.

Kate: Right.

Justin: In Mexico, who was recommended to us from Dr. David Jubb and David Wolfe.

Kate: Yeah.

Justin: Of all people.

Kate: Heard nothing but good things about both of those.

Justin: Yeah, right?

Kate: So… And we’ve been to Stuart Nunnally, so…

Justin: Yeah, Dr. Javier Morales. But man, I mean Dr. Zeines… I think we might have to have him on again.

Kate: Oh, I’d love that.

Justin: Because he’s got all kinds of stuff. We barely got into acupuncture.

Kate: Oh gosh. That’s a whole other…

Justin: That’s a whole show there.

Kate: That’s more than an hour. That’s a whole lot of show.

Justin: And let’s see… I had on my list of notes to talk to him about fluoride. We didn’t get ot that.

Kate: Oh, that’s right.

Justin: I wanted to talk to him about magnets, because he has a whole protocol on how to use magnets.

Kate: For your teeth health or for your overall health?

Justin: Yeah.

Kate: Never heard of such a thing.

Justin: Kinesiology.

Kate: Oh yeah.

Justin: And I wanted to talk to him about color therapy. We didn’t even get to that. I mean he’s a really well rounded guy.

Kate: Wow.

Justin: Color therapy.

Kate: I’ve heard of color therapy, and this keeps coming up, but I have no idea what it actually is. Do you?

Justin: I don’t. No, because I know who talks about it—Atom Bergstrom, one of our guests.

Kate: Oh, right.

Justin: He talks about color and how that affects the energies, because color—I guess it’s just a vibration of energy, right? It’s just a…

Kate: Yeah, everything is, apparently.

Justin: Yeah, it’s just a vibration.

Kate: I have a girlfriend that’s done the color therapy and she swears it’s one of the most healing things she’s done, so I’m interested.

Justin: What did she do? Do you know?

Kate: I don’t know, actually. It’s so funny. Every time she and I get together, we have so much to talk about and we’re both on the same page with all this stuff that half the things I have wanting to talk to her, going into the conversation, are just… I come home and I’m like “We didn’t even touch on that.” So I don’t know. I want to get into that with her though.

Justin: That is cool.

Kate: I know.

Justin: So if you guys are interested in his books, I would highly recommend his e-books that he has for you guys as Extreme Health Radio listeners. I have all three of them myself. It comes with, I think, about eight patient guides too, which is really, really helpful stuff. So if you want to go pick those up and check out more of his work, you can go to NatDent.com/EHR, and you’ll be able to see those e-books. I think they are $39 and we picked them up before the show and good stuff—really, really good stuff.

Kate: Not bad for a lot of info.

Justin: Yeah, and you can read them on your Kindle and all that stuff. And also, if you guys have any thoughts or comments or questions about this show, you can go to ExtremeHealthRadio.com/173 and post your comments there. And I’m leaving the comments open so that people in the future can add their two cents and add to the conversation about what they’ve learned about whatever show they’ve listened to.

Kate: Awesome.

Justin: Yeah.

Kate: Yeah, that’s great.

Justin: 173 is the show. If you guys could, we would be grateful if you could pass this show on to your friends—anybody you know who has teeth issues.

Kate: And who doesn’t?

Justin: And who doesn’t these days, right?

Kate: Right.

Justin: So if you could do that, that would be really helpful for us. Let’s see… Is there anything else we need to convey here?

Kate: I think I need to convey that I’m going to go make a green juice.

Justin: Ah. Green juice time.

Kate: No, I think that about covers it.

Justin: All right, guys. Let us know if we can help and you can always email us at Justin@ExtremeHealthRadio.com

Kate: Or Kate@ExtremeHealthRadio.com

Justin: And we’ll catch you on the next episode. Thanks for listening.

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